Have you seen a UFO lately?
July 12th 2007 09:22
U.F.O identified a flying object are just that; unidentified.
What constitutes an UFO?
In general a UFO is anything that cannot be identified by current means.
When we hear or see something unusual in the sky we tend to think of alien creatures from out there in space.
A lot of UFOs sightings are easily explained as being natural phenomenon.
For example flying aircraft, satellites, the planet Venus are often mistaken for a UFO.
There are hoaxes and people with hidden agendas, but there are some genuine UFO sightings that cannot be dismissed as being natural occurring phenomenon and it is these sightings that are of most interest to me personally.
We need to be objective when researching or hearing about unidentified flying object stories. There is a need to keep our imagination intact and only deal with the facts and the evidence as presented in order to form a rational conclusion or theory about what was seen or heard.
There are many UFO sightings around the globe so how come there is no definitive photograph or image available?.
For most of us are not prepared for an encounter of the second kind and not in the habit of carrying cameras or elaborate photographic equipment in the hope that we may see a UFO sighting, however there are many that do, I must admit I do carry a high end digital camera with me when I am out driving.
Images you see on the internet or television are captured by camera equipment that does not have the image quality and in most cases these images are taken in haste which compounds the problem even further. Often the image taken is blurred overexposed or the focal length of the lenses captures a distorted images this is big a problem especially with cameras that have a digital zoom lenses fitted.
I have been interested in reports of UFO sightings by astronauts over the years starting with the manned single and Gemini Apollo missions.
There have been incidences of sightings of strange glowing objects seen through the window of the space craft as astronauts described in detail to ground control.
For the most part these transmissions have been encrypted but some of the early manned missions where not actively encrypted making it possible to hear two way conversation if you had the radio equipment. It just so happens that I am ex radio technical operator with access to such equipment and it is easy to hear astronauts talking as the space shuttle fly’s over head (on the occasions that it is flying)
Some years ago now a group of radio operators (HAMS) recorded some interesting conversations with regards astronauts on the Apollo mission seeing unidentified “bogies”. As far as understand NASA has never confirmed or denied that conversation ever existed but it does make interesting listening. You can download the audio file form. this link
If people are interested I plan to write further articles about this in the future.
What constitutes an UFO?
In general a UFO is anything that cannot be identified by current means.
When we hear or see something unusual in the sky we tend to think of alien creatures from out there in space.
A lot of UFOs sightings are easily explained as being natural phenomenon.
For example flying aircraft, satellites, the planet Venus are often mistaken for a UFO.
There are hoaxes and people with hidden agendas, but there are some genuine UFO sightings that cannot be dismissed as being natural occurring phenomenon and it is these sightings that are of most interest to me personally.
We need to be objective when researching or hearing about unidentified flying object stories. There is a need to keep our imagination intact and only deal with the facts and the evidence as presented in order to form a rational conclusion or theory about what was seen or heard.
There are many UFO sightings around the globe so how come there is no definitive photograph or image available?.
For most of us are not prepared for an encounter of the second kind and not in the habit of carrying cameras or elaborate photographic equipment in the hope that we may see a UFO sighting, however there are many that do, I must admit I do carry a high end digital camera with me when I am out driving.
Images you see on the internet or television are captured by camera equipment that does not have the image quality and in most cases these images are taken in haste which compounds the problem even further. Often the image taken is blurred overexposed or the focal length of the lenses captures a distorted images this is big a problem especially with cameras that have a digital zoom lenses fitted.
I have been interested in reports of UFO sightings by astronauts over the years starting with the manned single and Gemini Apollo missions.
This is not a UFO just a photo of the planet Venus
There have been incidences of sightings of strange glowing objects seen through the window of the space craft as astronauts described in detail to ground control.
For the most part these transmissions have been encrypted but some of the early manned missions where not actively encrypted making it possible to hear two way conversation if you had the radio equipment. It just so happens that I am ex radio technical operator with access to such equipment and it is easy to hear astronauts talking as the space shuttle fly’s over head (on the occasions that it is flying)
Some years ago now a group of radio operators (HAMS) recorded some interesting conversations with regards astronauts on the Apollo mission seeing unidentified “bogies”. As far as understand NASA has never confirmed or denied that conversation ever existed but it does make interesting listening. You can download the audio file form. this link
If people are interested I plan to write further articles about this in the future.
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Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
The distance to the closest star is 4 Lightyears and it has no way of supporting life. So we must go further out.
Just to be kind I say 10 light years.
Ten years up, ten years back for a radio signal to say, "We are now on Earth, what should we so?"
After twenty years these aliens would be bored out of their minds. They probably probe people to fill in time.
Comment by Mountain Fog
Infognito
The whole argument that to get to Earth would take eons of time is flawed, as it is always based purely on what we know, what is in our experience, and completely excludes the more terrifying fact, for some, that other beings do inhabit our universe and some of them are going to be millions of years advanced in technology, most likely.
So, Damo, you might be right, they would drop in, take a look at us, and take off again in haste. But, maybe there is another hypothesis...'they' have been here all the time...
keep on posting about this CarlCan, very interesting indeed and we all need to keep our 'channels' open, so to speak!
cheers
fog
Comment by Nickoftime's Sanity Corner
this post is right up my alley, you are preaching to the choir my friend...If a UFO landed on the White House lawn and small little gray people with huge black eyes and no rectums got out, people still wouldn't believe it...
I've been a private pilot for many years, and I've seen some things that have made me go..."Huh!?" and then jerk the yoke to the right to avoid hitting that really REALLY big mountain directly in my flight path...
I've also seen things in broad daylight that I absolutely positively know are NOT from this planet, unless of course we back-engineered them...But that's a whole other story...
Believing that we're the only planet to harbor intelligent, (well relatively speaking of course), life in the entire Universe is unthinkable...and, if you ask me, a tad egotistical too...
If we got started here, who's to say the other guys didn't do it first, better and even longer than we did?
I only wish the flaming skeptics would pull their heads out of their own narrowly-viewed assholes...
Great post! Least it makes people think...and that, is a good thing...
Take care,
Nick
Comment by James Rickard
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Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
It is quite possible they have been here all the time.
Yet there is a huge difference between a senario, Hypothesis, Theory and Imperical data.
If a sentece starts with 'Maybe' then it is a senario.
To move it into a hypothesis it requires some supporting evidence.
To be accepted as theory it requires a lot of data.
Skepticism is healthy in science because it prevents people from becomeing emotionally attached to a theory and sellecting data to prove it. (Even the father of genetics made that mistake and fudged his figures)
They may have been here for years?
How do we test that?
Should we accept that statement because it suits what we want to believe?
Cherry picking evidence to prove a point is by definition narrow minded.
Unfortunately this is a scientific question and needs to undergo scientific scrutiny.
Comment by Mountain Fog
Infognito
you're sounding a bit like those types that believe the Warren Commission!
Taking your stance, I must then accept what that commission found, ie, JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman, one Lee Harvey Oswald.
The problem with that "fact" is, Warren was denied access to, and/or denied entry to, a whole raft of evidence and witnesses that absolutely would have proved there was more than one gunman and that, ergo, means there was a conspiracy.
Did you know that the top army marksmen took Oswald's rifle to a range and set up the assassination scenario, but could not hit the target..not even when it was not moving, because the sights in his gun were inaccurate, besides the fact they found it impossible to fire and reload the amount he was alleged to have done.
Interestingly, just recently, someone got access to the extracted bullets from the various bodies, car etc, and would you believe it.....they came from more than one gun!!!??!! SHOCK HORROR!!
We have a similar problem withe the UFO. The American government has systematically stepped on evidence that would conclusively prove their existance, (for their own reasons and not all of them well meaning), and so one cannot exammine the area with as much open scientific zeal it deserves. The press are right on side with this approach of cover up and/or ridicule, and I know quite a few members of the press who have had evidence yet were told not to disclose it.
On the other end of the scale, France and Brazil have both in the last year opened their files, and as they say, it is the 2% that has defied ALL POSSIBLE explanation, whether that be man made material, organic or atmospheric, and so cannot be explained in any sense that we know of a flying vehicle..so they called them UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS for that reason.
Also, before the Soviet Union collapsed, they had regular reports on the UFO matter broadcast on televison in Moscow...and yes, now the current Russian government officially denies it, (since America got into trading with them), trouble is, many people have copies of the monthly reports!
Furthermore, there are literally thousands of scientists, air force, commercial pilots, police, etc etc etc who have come out and demanded that the Americans cease their blanket cover up, to which all nations had readily agreed to comply with, and admit what everyone else knows!
The point is, you can access hundreds of hours of film about these things, and yes, the disinformation programme has worked wonders, but it has not been able to perfectly eliminate or discredit the truth.
By the way, while we are on the subject, I suppose you think the Crop Circles are caused by wind? Or by the two old WW2 veterans the British Government initially trotted out originally as the culprits? Since then the British government has trained up groups to try and copy the crop circles, but the problem is, they cannot copy the three different energies that have been identified as causing the crops to bend and interweave, microwave energy acting on the base of the stems......proved!
And yet, there is still people like you, who cling relentlessy on to a straw of belief that we are alone and are the highest evolved being in the universe!
What utter crap! The whole crop circle thing is SOOOOO beyond everyone's ken, they cannot even come up with a feasible explanation...and yes, laughably, wind was one of them!
I suggest you stop listening to your prejudices and start opening your eyes and your ears and do a bit of research, and then, you might start to exammine this phenomena scientifically yourself!
Comment by Mountain Fog
Infognito
regards
fog
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
I can't argue that logic.
Your hersay evidence has convinced me.
Now I don't have to look up anything because I am going to take your solemn word for it.
The evidence is missing because it was covered up.
We know it was covered up because it isn't there.
That is pretty much what I am being told.
You had lost over the Kennedy assasination for a second but now I realise through you teaching that it all connected.
Every nation on Earth is keeping the aliens a secret to help out the good old USof A.
But than again....
Nar....
Does not really matter but....
But...
Maybe just maybe I like my evidence to be credible and verifiable.
Maybe I just like the whole concept of logic and plausibility.
Maybe when I refer to cherry picking I mean a long passage of writing that quote evidence that it cannot present for scrutiny.
Then again I could always watch another episode of X-files.
The question still stand: How do we test the hypothoses that Aliens are here?
Not with heresay evidence, that is for sure.
Comment by Mountain Fog
Infognito
Is this your version of mature debate?
If you really wanted to prove your frontal lobes were not totally consumed by fear and angst, I suggest you check out the following;
"Crop Circles: Quest for Truth" a doco by William Gazecki, and there you will see all the scientific proof you need that...we are not alone!!! (cue scary sci fi music!)
try this link: Really Long Link
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
i am sorry you took my satiracal prose the wrong way.
However I was trying illustrate a point that not everyone subscribes to the concept that there are conspiracies and cover ups.
The questions as always what is acceptable evidence to convince the objective observer? One that has not seen a UFO and has no reason to believe it?
The image illustrates this point.
It is famous case of fairy sighting that had convince a lot of people that fairies were real. Sir Arthur Conan Dole was one who was totally convinced.
Fairies or UFO which one is true and why?
If you say fairies are imaginary then why are more so?
The answer for both of these will always go back to what evidence you can examine objectively.
I will look at the crop circle site, but that is it another conspiracy site? Or is it a site that follows some sort method of critical analysis?
Comment by Mountain Fog
Infognito
the film, not the site, is what I am suggesting needs to be examined.
(I am hoping it is the same doco I saw...I am fairly sure it is, as it had numerous people, believers and non, posit their ideas on the subject, and the director was an Academy Award nominee)
I saw the DVD in Melbourne (from a video chain store 5 years ago), I have asked my local store here, but it seems to have disappeared, in fact, Sony used to sell it online but have removed it.
Anyway, it was the independant scientific examination, of a bunch of stems removed from one of these crop circles, that really pricked my interest.
The scientist involved was not told that it was taken from a crop circle, so as not to prejudice his view one way or the other.
What was astounding was his opinion, based on the evidence before him, that microwave energy had acted upon the base of the stem, exploding the nodule, as super heated steam inside the stem, had to escape.
This evidence alone, (and all the stems had the same type of damage, to varying degrees, in the same part of the stem), challenged the official government explanation of the cause of the crop circles.
The government wanted us to believe crop circles were initially created by two old codgers using a plank of wood, wrapped in cloth, and a handle extending upright each end. I saw them on the news, saw them 'demonstrate' what they did, one old fellow just stamped it up and down on the spot, not in a field though, and by the way they sheepishly talked, were barely literate and were nearing the wheel chair in physique!
Then, shortly afterwards, another series of massive crop circles appeared, the complexity of which was staggering....I am not joking. It beggars belief how anyone, or anything, could create these things...and they appear over night!
Then a couple of years later, groups of people started making crop circles, which by comparison with the real thing, were small and poorly constructed, and the crop stems all badly damaged and trampled, unlike the original circles.
However, at that time, they did not know about the consistant microwave damage to ALL the stems, in every "not man made" crop circle.
Yes, there are many man made crop circles now, and they are all easily identified, not just because they are in no way as complex, or as large, or appearing over night like the other crop circles, but because the stems of the crops are not woven into each other, and do not have the microwave damage at the base of the stems.
The non man made crop circles also have a detectable level of radiation, highest at the centre-most of the design, and reducing uniformly towards the outer edges, and the DVD shows this being measured.
It frustrates and angers me, that these incredible phenomena are being swept under the carpet by governments, and the media are all too willing to push this government agenda, on keeping this bizarre event out of public discussion, except when it is to ridicule the idea of any serious examination.
It has to be the single most incredible thing to have happened to mankind.
Why it is happening? I don't pretend to know. Maybe 'they' are letting us slowly realize, 'they' are here...to avoid panic?....dunno....dunno who 'they' are or whatever it is!
Anyway, I urge you, and anyone else reading this, to really look into it all. Look at the photographic evidence, and just imagine how hard it would be to create one of these massive designs, and over night! The designs involve incredibly complex geometry, and 3 dimensional design, and some cover acres of area.
Many farmers guard their crops because they don't want it damaged by these things, but they appear anyway, and no one sees how it happens!
As to who, what, why....god only knows. I personally presume they are something to do with a race not from Earth, as I cannot think of a logical reason why anyone would do it, or how they could do it, and also organize these happenings, all over the world, even here in Australia, simultaneously sometimes?
I might have to get permission from one of these groups and see if I can post some images here, it is up to people to decide, and at the end of the day, they are just truly beautiful to look at.
cheers...and thanks for the explanation/apology Damo, accepted of course!
I am getting to understand your caustic wit, and understand you are playing a very strong devil's advocate, and fair enough!
Anyhoo...sorry again Carlcan, for ranting on your spot...
fog